https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/ Wed, 29 Apr 2026 19:37:09 +0000 MyBB https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4973 Mon, 07 Nov 2022 10:13:05 -0700 Jordyngrin]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4973 We are interested in buying some kids to raise up for packing but would like a nice experienced gentle goat to use for him in the meantime.]]> We are interested in buying some kids to raise up for packing but would like a nice experienced gentle goat to use for him in the meantime.]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4860 Tue, 28 Jun 2022 10:36:08 -0600 dragonmaker]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4860 https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4074 Thu, 05 Mar 2020 21:38:04 -0700 Nanno]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4074
I loaded the cart and Sputnik eagerly pulled it back to the house.   

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This load was heavy! The logs I cut from the tree stump that was left in the ground after the rest blew down were still a bit green. 
Sputnik was overeager at first and kind of dragged me out to the tree by his halter and then dragged me back home with the first load. He started out eager with this second load but settled down very quickly when he realized how much work it was! By the third load he was Mr. Steady Eddy and I didn't even have to tie him when I loaded and unloaded the wagon. He stood very nicely, happy for a little break between loads. 

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By the end of the fourth load I could tell Sputnik was getting tired. I had given him all the heavy logs and the long trudge back home was mostly uphill over bumpy terrain. Meanwhile I'd locked Finn up on the patio because he had been such a pest when I was hauling the first load. He'd dogged Sputnik the whole time and kept poking, prodding, and shoving him while Sputnik was trying to work. Sputnik didn't deserve that kind of treatment and I had no time for nonsense, so as soon as we got back to the house with our first load of wood, Finn went straight to jail. He watched in silent envy as Sputnik went away and came back with three more loads. By the time Sputnik needed a break, Finn was rarin' to go. Normally Finn does not like pulling the wagon and if I'd started out with Finn he'd have been sullen and balky. As it was, watching Sputnik get all the attention and treats sparked Finn's jealousy and by the time I hitched him to the wagon he was more than eager to work and he practically dragged me out to the tree as Sputnik had done at first.     

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Naturally all the other goats followed us back and forth every single time. It was quite the parade!  

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Finn ended up only having to haul 2 1/2 loads and they weren't as heavy as Sputnik's, but he still felt like a hero. 

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Sadie did not help at all but she would like us to think she did something important by walking back and forth all those times. Oh wait--she cleaned up a lot of the wood chips from the wagon after I emptied it. See? She did do something important! 

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I loaded the cart and Sputnik eagerly pulled it back to the house.   

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Do you think he might be proud of himself? 

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This load was heavy! The logs I cut from the tree stump that was left in the ground after the rest blew down were still a bit green. 
Sputnik was overeager at first and kind of dragged me out to the tree by his halter and then dragged me back home with the first load. He started out eager with this second load but settled down very quickly when he realized how much work it was! By the third load he was Mr. Steady Eddy and I didn't even have to tie him when I loaded and unloaded the wagon. He stood very nicely, happy for a little break between loads. 

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By the end of the fourth load I could tell Sputnik was getting tired. I had given him all the heavy logs and the long trudge back home was mostly uphill over bumpy terrain. Meanwhile I'd locked Finn up on the patio because he had been such a pest when I was hauling the first load. He'd dogged Sputnik the whole time and kept poking, prodding, and shoving him while Sputnik was trying to work. Sputnik didn't deserve that kind of treatment and I had no time for nonsense, so as soon as we got back to the house with our first load of wood, Finn went straight to jail. He watched in silent envy as Sputnik went away and came back with three more loads. By the time Sputnik needed a break, Finn was rarin' to go. Normally Finn does not like pulling the wagon and if I'd started out with Finn he'd have been sullen and balky. As it was, watching Sputnik get all the attention and treats sparked Finn's jealousy and by the time I hitched him to the wagon he was more than eager to work and he practically dragged me out to the tree as Sputnik had done at first.     

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Naturally all the other goats followed us back and forth every single time. It was quite the parade!  

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Finn ended up only having to haul 2 1/2 loads and they weren't as heavy as Sputnik's, but he still felt like a hero. 

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A nice drink of water for our hard worker. 

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Sadie did not help at all but she would like us to think she did something important by walking back and forth all those times. Oh wait--she cleaned up a lot of the wood chips from the wagon after I emptied it. See? She did do something important! 

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This was the first time fitting Koby with a bit on a proper bridle.  The bridle needs a little adjustment.  Having not been handled much in the last couple of months Koby needs some lessons to remind him of his manners.  However, he didn't fuss at all when I put the bit in his mouth and happily munched on a few peanuts whilst wearing it. I was concerned it would be too big/wide but he has grown so much since I bought it 18 months ago; it seems to fit just right. The bridle looks a bit bulky but he has a halter on underneath, which is what I am using to tie him to the hitching ring. I need to unstitch and remove the rear part of the crown piece which attaches to the throat lash, the latter which I have already removed.  I also removed the browband as that was never going to fit and also appears to be an unnecessary component for a horned goat.  

A big thank you to Nanno who liaised with the harness maker multiple times on my behalf, checked all the measurements and sent the harness onto me complete with some tips and labels for all the team components.  It would have been very tricky and long-winded to arrange this myself from here. I can't wait to test the harness out!


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This was the first time fitting Koby with a bit on a proper bridle.  The bridle needs a little adjustment.  Having not been handled much in the last couple of months Koby needs some lessons to remind him of his manners.  However, he didn't fuss at all when I put the bit in his mouth and happily munched on a few peanuts whilst wearing it. I was concerned it would be too big/wide but he has grown so much since I bought it 18 months ago; it seems to fit just right. The bridle looks a bit bulky but he has a halter on underneath, which is what I am using to tie him to the hitching ring. I need to unstitch and remove the rear part of the crown piece which attaches to the throat lash, the latter which I have already removed.  I also removed the browband as that was never going to fit and also appears to be an unnecessary component for a horned goat.  

A big thank you to Nanno who liaised with the harness maker multiple times on my behalf, checked all the measurements and sent the harness onto me complete with some tips and labels for all the team components.  It would have been very tricky and long-winded to arrange this myself from here. I can't wait to test the harness out!


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I had some custom car magnets made up so we could add them to our carriage. I figured this might be a good way to sell some goats. 

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Sadie was awesome. This was her first time away from home and she never made a peep or got fractious. We had Max in the wagon bed with her at first, but he kept hogging all the space and pushing her off the side, so we removed Max and let Sadie ride by herself. We made Max walk on a leash beside the carriage during the parade and Sadie went straight to relaxing once he was gone. She laid right down and stayed there quite contentedly during the entire parade. It was funny to hear the kids squeal with delight when they spotted her laying down in the carriage. They'd squeal at the goat cart first, and then the volume would go up considerably when they spied Sadie. They'd jump up and down screaming, "Look! Look! There's a baby goat riding in the back!"  

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We were entry #88, which meant we didn't really get started until after 11:00, but we had to be at our place in line by 9:30. This meant we had a long, tiring wait. It was fun for Phil and I because we enjoyed watching the parade go by in front of us (our lineup position was on an intersecting side road), but Finn and Sputnik weren't interested in the parade so they just had to be patient. Luckily we found a shady spot under a tree. The parade seemed to be largely made up of huge, noisy marching bands. Luckily the goats didn't mind the noise at all and weren't nervous. The only thing that upset the boys was when a young kid ran up and hit Finn in the face with a balloon during lineup. His mother grabbed the kid and scolded him pretty soundly and apologized to us. Finn and Sputnik spooked and jumped backwards, probably not so much out of fear but from surprise that someone would do something so rude. I don't think they'd ever seen a balloon up close before, and they're certainly not used to someone walking up and bopping them in the face! I'm glad the kid's mother took charge right away.    

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Sadie was a picture of contented relaxation the entire time--first while we waited in line and then while we marched in the parade. But Max was something else altogether. He's not particularly rowdy or mischievous, but I've never seen a goat so "on the move". He has to be doing something all the time. And he's extremely enthusiastic about whatever it is he happens to be doing, so he's a wonderfully fun goat to be with. He ended up walking the parade route on a leash because he wouldn't share the wagon nicely with Sadie. Today was his first time wearing a halter, and he led very well in it. Phil didn't once have to get out of the carriage and encourage him on foot. 

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Finn and Sputnik were eager to get back to the staging area after the parade and head home. They were wonderfully good during the parade, but it was a long, long wait before we started and the weather was hot and humid. They earned their break today! And I'm really proud of Max and Sadie. They were little troopers.  

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I had some custom car magnets made up so we could add them to our carriage. I figured this might be a good way to sell some goats. 

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Sadie was awesome. This was her first time away from home and she never made a peep or got fractious. We had Max in the wagon bed with her at first, but he kept hogging all the space and pushing her off the side, so we removed Max and let Sadie ride by herself. We made Max walk on a leash beside the carriage during the parade and Sadie went straight to relaxing once he was gone. She laid right down and stayed there quite contentedly during the entire parade. It was funny to hear the kids squeal with delight when they spotted her laying down in the carriage. They'd squeal at the goat cart first, and then the volume would go up considerably when they spied Sadie. They'd jump up and down screaming, "Look! Look! There's a baby goat riding in the back!"  

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We were entry #88, which meant we didn't really get started until after 11:00, but we had to be at our place in line by 9:30. This meant we had a long, tiring wait. It was fun for Phil and I because we enjoyed watching the parade go by in front of us (our lineup position was on an intersecting side road), but Finn and Sputnik weren't interested in the parade so they just had to be patient. Luckily we found a shady spot under a tree. The parade seemed to be largely made up of huge, noisy marching bands. Luckily the goats didn't mind the noise at all and weren't nervous. The only thing that upset the boys was when a young kid ran up and hit Finn in the face with a balloon during lineup. His mother grabbed the kid and scolded him pretty soundly and apologized to us. Finn and Sputnik spooked and jumped backwards, probably not so much out of fear but from surprise that someone would do something so rude. I don't think they'd ever seen a balloon up close before, and they're certainly not used to someone walking up and bopping them in the face! I'm glad the kid's mother took charge right away.    

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Sadie was a picture of contented relaxation the entire time--first while we waited in line and then while we marched in the parade. But Max was something else altogether. He's not particularly rowdy or mischievous, but I've never seen a goat so "on the move". He has to be doing something all the time. And he's extremely enthusiastic about whatever it is he happens to be doing, so he's a wonderfully fun goat to be with. He ended up walking the parade route on a leash because he wouldn't share the wagon nicely with Sadie. Today was his first time wearing a halter, and he led very well in it. Phil didn't once have to get out of the carriage and encourage him on foot. 

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Finn and Sputnik were eager to get back to the staging area after the parade and head home. They were wonderfully good during the parade, but it was a long, long wait before we started and the weather was hot and humid. They earned their break today! And I'm really proud of Max and Sadie. They were little troopers.  

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Has anyone ever used a Single Wheel Bike Cart with a goat?
I am planning on trying this on trails & uneven terrain (lava rock) and would like to hear thoughts.
I am NOT planning on ever driving goats, just carting.

Best starter/inexpensive harness for pulling a cart?

What do you wish you knew from the very start?

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Has anyone ever used a Single Wheel Bike Cart with a goat?
I am planning on trying this on trails & uneven terrain (lava rock) and would like to hear thoughts.
I am NOT planning on ever driving goats, just carting.

Best starter/inexpensive harness for pulling a cart?

What do you wish you knew from the very start?

THANKS!]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=3109 Wed, 27 Dec 2017 23:36:12 -0700 goatzrule]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=3109 https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=3104 Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:04:50 -0700 goatzrule]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=3104 https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2124 Sun, 23 Apr 2017 12:12:09 -0600 GoldenTreePackGoats]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2124 I've read all the thread's but if there were a top 5 things to learn/do what would they be in your opinion?]]> I've read all the thread's but if there were a top 5 things to learn/do what would they be in your opinion?]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2121 Mon, 17 Apr 2017 10:10:51 -0600 Nanno]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2121
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What a lovely head. And where did he get that Roman nose? It must be a throwback. Neither one of his parents has a convex nose like this, but Sputnik's is very pronounced. The bulge tends to make his halter rub more than I like. I also need to punch some more holes in his bridle. It's beginning to get tight! 

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Driving goats makes me very happy! 

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On Sunday--the day after the community Easter celebration--I took Sputnik down to the church for their little Easter egg hunt. He pulled kids (and several adults!) around the parking lot for half an hour or so. He was wonderful and very patient. I drove him around the parking lot afterwards and he did great until he suddenly decided to make a shortcut and tried to jump onto the boulders lining the parking lot. Oops! I had to get out, back him up, and lead him around the corner. "Sorry, Sputnik. You can't jump on rocks with a cart in tow!"]]>
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What a lovely head. And where did he get that Roman nose? It must be a throwback. Neither one of his parents has a convex nose like this, but Sputnik's is very pronounced. The bulge tends to make his halter rub more than I like. I also need to punch some more holes in his bridle. It's beginning to get tight! 

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Driving goats makes me very happy! 

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On Sunday--the day after the community Easter celebration--I took Sputnik down to the church for their little Easter egg hunt. He pulled kids (and several adults!) around the parking lot for half an hour or so. He was wonderful and very patient. I drove him around the parking lot afterwards and he did great until he suddenly decided to make a shortcut and tried to jump onto the boulders lining the parking lot. Oops! I had to get out, back him up, and lead him around the corner. "Sorry, Sputnik. You can't jump on rocks with a cart in tow!"]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2020 Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:01:37 -0700 Nanno]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2020
Sputnik was the hero of the test driving event. This goat knows his job and he really puts his heart into it! Finn has been less cooperative about driving (or working much at all) recently, so we decided to harness him up but not drive him. Finn got to walk alongside and watch how Sputnik does things. I have to say, Sputnik was a perfect example of how a driving goat should go. He was eager but relaxed, wanted to trot but was obedient to the reins, and he didn't balk at barking dogs, geese, cars, golfers, or anything else we encountered on our drive. He was a good, good boy!      

For the actual race, contestants always kneel. I need to add some padding to the front rail and the floor to make this position comfortable. 

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Although it was much less stable, I thought standing was a lot more fun! Finn would like you to think he is pulling the chariot in this photo.

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Since I knew that my balance would be an issue, I drove Sputnik in a halter so as to avoid hurting his mouth in the event of any accidental rein-pulling. Sputnik was very excited and wanted to trot most of the way, so I did get "left behind" the motion a couple of times when he would go straight from a stop to an eager trot. At those moments I was glad for his sake that I opted to use the halter!  

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Phil generally preferred to kneel. I think he's ready to race!

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Sputnik says, "What the heck are you doing back there? Can we go yet??"

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Sputnik has gotten so big lately that the cart tips back noticeably even with the shafts adjusted to the taller height. I lowered the shaft loops a hole, but from looking at the photos I should probably lower them some more. When figuring out the forward placement for the axle, I was thinking so much about keeping weight off the goats' backs that we may have gotten them too far forward. We did our measurements with the shafts level, but with our goats as tall as they are, these carts will always tip back a bit, throwing our weight further back than we anticipated. Phil particularly had a tendency to tip backwards because he likes to sit on his haunches when he kneels. Sputnik thankfully didn't care whether the shafts pulled up or down on his harness. He was just happy to be the center of everyone's attention (and cookies)!]]>
Sputnik was the hero of the test driving event. This goat knows his job and he really puts his heart into it! Finn has been less cooperative about driving (or working much at all) recently, so we decided to harness him up but not drive him. Finn got to walk alongside and watch how Sputnik does things. I have to say, Sputnik was a perfect example of how a driving goat should go. He was eager but relaxed, wanted to trot but was obedient to the reins, and he didn't balk at barking dogs, geese, cars, golfers, or anything else we encountered on our drive. He was a good, good boy!      

For the actual race, contestants always kneel. I need to add some padding to the front rail and the floor to make this position comfortable. 

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Although it was much less stable, I thought standing was a lot more fun! Finn would like you to think he is pulling the chariot in this photo.

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Since I knew that my balance would be an issue, I drove Sputnik in a halter so as to avoid hurting his mouth in the event of any accidental rein-pulling. Sputnik was very excited and wanted to trot most of the way, so I did get "left behind" the motion a couple of times when he would go straight from a stop to an eager trot. At those moments I was glad for his sake that I opted to use the halter!  

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Phil generally preferred to kneel. I think he's ready to race!

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Sputnik has gotten so big lately that the cart tips back noticeably even with the shafts adjusted to the taller height. I lowered the shaft loops a hole, but from looking at the photos I should probably lower them some more. When figuring out the forward placement for the axle, I was thinking so much about keeping weight off the goats' backs that we may have gotten them too far forward. We did our measurements with the shafts level, but with our goats as tall as they are, these carts will always tip back a bit, throwing our weight further back than we anticipated. Phil particularly had a tendency to tip backwards because he likes to sit on his haunches when he kneels. Sputnik thankfully didn't care whether the shafts pulled up or down on his harness. He was just happy to be the center of everyone's attention (and cookies)!]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2016 Sat, 07 Jan 2017 20:06:13 -0700 DownUnder Gal]]> https://www.packgoatcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2016   Nanno, would you please advise re the following?

1. On a four-wheeled vehicle (small garden wagon in this case, pretty similar to yours and Phil's) is it acceptable for the shafts to be pointing up quite markedly?

Koby is quite a tall goat and the height differential between (i) the connecting point of the shaft assembly to the wagon and (ii) the end of the shafts at Koby's shoulders is 25 inches. This means that the shafts are pointing decidedly upward and as such it is difficult to keep the shaft wraps and shaft loops vertically aligned. The shafts definitely do not 'float' in the shaft loops.  Does this mean that there will be unacceptable pressure on Koby's back? Nanno, I noticed that the pole between your goats on your team set-up also angles upwards somewhat but my shafts are angled even more so. I can't see a way around it given the difference between the height of the goat and that of the wagon. But I also note in your harness handout that sometimes the shaft wraps and the shaft loops can buckle together. I can probably do this with my Hoeggers harness but it's not going to fix the angle of the shafts.


2.  Is there a rule of thumb regarding where the footman loops should be situated on the shafts? We need to put some on, however weren't sure how to correctly measure where they should go. Or does the location not matter so much as the tension of the holdback straps once they're passed through the footman loops?  I imagine it shouldn't be measured to a landmark on the goat because different sized goats will potentially use the wagon. We ended up taking the britchen off completely yesterday because without the footman loops the holdback straps just slid along the shafts and were not only useless, they became a bit of a hazard - to the point where when I turned Koby the britchen slid off his rump to one side.

3. Should the singletree have complete freedom of movement? We copied a design from a book I have, only to find that each end hits either side of the front of the wagon when Koby took a step. There's simply not much play in its movement due to the fittings we used. Probably not so much of an issue for a mini-goat (with mini steps) but it seems to be a problem for a large-ish animal like Koby. So Mark has temporarily added a length of nylon rope between the u-bolt on the front of the wagon and the eyebolt at the middle of the singletree. This works well and allows Koby's shoulders free movement but at rest and when unhitched the singletree hangs down below the front of the wagon. It didn't get caught yesterday but I'm concerned it might one day - I suppose the tension of the traces will be key (which is another issue - they seem to be about 12 inches too short).  I'll try to get some photos to show you what I mean. Nanno, I noticed that when driving pairs your double-tree originates from down below the wagon, not on the front of the wagon itself. Is this required due to the width of the doubletree and therefore is not required for a singletree (the latter being somewhat narrower)?

Thanks for your help!]]>   Nanno, would you please advise re the following?

1. On a four-wheeled vehicle (small garden wagon in this case, pretty similar to yours and Phil's) is it acceptable for the shafts to be pointing up quite markedly?

Koby is quite a tall goat and the height differential between (i) the connecting point of the shaft assembly to the wagon and (ii) the end of the shafts at Koby's shoulders is 25 inches. This means that the shafts are pointing decidedly upward and as such it is difficult to keep the shaft wraps and shaft loops vertically aligned. The shafts definitely do not 'float' in the shaft loops.  Does this mean that there will be unacceptable pressure on Koby's back? Nanno, I noticed that the pole between your goats on your team set-up also angles upwards somewhat but my shafts are angled even more so. I can't see a way around it given the difference between the height of the goat and that of the wagon. But I also note in your harness handout that sometimes the shaft wraps and the shaft loops can buckle together. I can probably do this with my Hoeggers harness but it's not going to fix the angle of the shafts.


2.  Is there a rule of thumb regarding where the footman loops should be situated on the shafts? We need to put some on, however weren't sure how to correctly measure where they should go. Or does the location not matter so much as the tension of the holdback straps once they're passed through the footman loops?  I imagine it shouldn't be measured to a landmark on the goat because different sized goats will potentially use the wagon. We ended up taking the britchen off completely yesterday because without the footman loops the holdback straps just slid along the shafts and were not only useless, they became a bit of a hazard - to the point where when I turned Koby the britchen slid off his rump to one side.

3. Should the singletree have complete freedom of movement? We copied a design from a book I have, only to find that each end hits either side of the front of the wagon when Koby took a step. There's simply not much play in its movement due to the fittings we used. Probably not so much of an issue for a mini-goat (with mini steps) but it seems to be a problem for a large-ish animal like Koby. So Mark has temporarily added a length of nylon rope between the u-bolt on the front of the wagon and the eyebolt at the middle of the singletree. This works well and allows Koby's shoulders free movement but at rest and when unhitched the singletree hangs down below the front of the wagon. It didn't get caught yesterday but I'm concerned it might one day - I suppose the tension of the traces will be key (which is another issue - they seem to be about 12 inches too short).  I'll try to get some photos to show you what I mean. Nanno, I noticed that when driving pairs your double-tree originates from down below the wagon, not on the front of the wagon itself. Is this required due to the width of the doubletree and therefore is not required for a singletree (the latter being somewhat narrower)?

Thanks for your help!]]>